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		<title>Comment on Review of WordPress Menus User Interface by iamronen</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/review-of-wordpress-menus-user-interface/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>iamronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ash,   
   
I apologize for the late reply - for some reason your comment was flagged as potential spam in the Akismet queue - which is a first for me.   
   
As I said before, I think that the new management is a great starting point - but needs much more work to be pleasant and useful. It is my number one tool of choice for creating navigation elements (that end-users can continue to modify on their own). There have been some interesting side effects to this:   
   
I&#039;ve been able to drop a bunch of widget plugins I was manipulating to get similar results   
I don&#039;t need to use or teach end-users to use page order - which always was a pain in the ass to use.   
I do need to get users to understand the difference between menus and widgets - which is a new and challenging teaching hurdle   
I still use parent-page settings to indicate site structure information that I need for proper theme behavior (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/thections-creating-wordpress-websites-with-sections/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thections&lt;/a&gt;- though that doesn&#039;t and often times shouldn&#039;t carry over to nav-menus   
   
   
WordPress is feature bloated and I doubt that will change anytime soon (for many reasons). I&#039;ve long been wishing for an opportunity to create a simplified version of it. If you know of a good Plugin developer who wants to put some effort into this - I have some ideas (some of them are &lt;a href=&quot;http://ontekusuto.iamronen.com/okwaterdown/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) on how this can be achieved. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ash,   </p>
<p>I apologize for the late reply &#8211; for some reason your comment was flagged as potential spam in the Akismet queue &#8211; which is a first for me.   </p>
<p>As I said before, I think that the new management is a great starting point &#8211; but needs much more work to be pleasant and useful. It is my number one tool of choice for creating navigation elements (that end-users can continue to modify on their own). There have been some interesting side effects to this:   </p>
<p>I&#039;ve been able to drop a bunch of widget plugins I was manipulating to get similar results<br />
I don&#039;t need to use or teach end-users to use page order &#8211; which always was a pain in the ass to use.<br />
I do need to get users to understand the difference between menus and widgets &#8211; which is a new and challenging teaching hurdle<br />
I still use parent-page settings to indicate site structure information that I need for proper theme behavior (see <a href="http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/thections-creating-wordpress-websites-with-sections/" rel="nofollow">Thections</a>- though that doesn&#039;t and often times shouldn&#039;t carry over to nav-menus   </p>
<p>WordPress is feature bloated and I doubt that will change anytime soon (for many reasons). I&#039;ve long been wishing for an opportunity to create a simplified version of it. If you know of a good Plugin developer who wants to put some effort into this &#8211; I have some ideas (some of them are <a href="http://ontekusuto.iamronen.com/okwaterdown/" rel="nofollow">here</a>) on how this can be achieved.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Launch Announcement: Centre for Yoga Studies by Yoga Asana Practice Sequences meet WordPress and HTML &#124; iamronen</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/launch-announcement-centre-for-yoga-studies/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoga Asana Practice Sequences meet WordPress and HTML &#124; iamronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to use it again (a disturbing and aggravating learning curve) by the inspiration I experienced in helping my teacher move into WordPress. Thank you Paul, again and again, for your inspiring presence. Note: I haven&#8217;t and probably [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to use it again (a disturbing and aggravating learning curve) by the inspiration I experienced in helping my teacher move into WordPress. Thank you Paul, again and again, for your inspiring presence. Note: I haven&#8217;t and probably [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on WordPress and the General Public License by Yoga Asana Practice Sequences meet WordPress and HTML &#124; iamronen</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/wordpress-and-the-general-public-license/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Yoga Asana Practice Sequences meet WordPress and HTML &#124; iamronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Note: I haven&#8217;t and probably won&#8217;t test or maintain this script for Internet Explorer (any version &#8211; old or new). It was developed with and works with Mozilla Firefox. If you are a Yoga practitioner and can relate to Svatantra then I recommend you stop using Internet Explorer and start using an open-source browser like Firefox and other open-source applications. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Note: I haven&#8217;t and probably won&#8217;t test or maintain this script for Internet Explorer (any version &#8211; old or new). It was developed with and works with Mozilla Firefox. If you are a Yoga practitioner and can relate to Svatantra then I recommend you stop using Internet Explorer and start using an open-source browser like Firefox and other open-source applications. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Redesign June 2010: iamronen by Myself &#8211; June 2010: Movement &#124; iamronen</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/redesign-june-2010-iamronen/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Myself &#8211; June 2010: Movement &#124; iamronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new design was born for this [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pace Your Writing by Paul_Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/06/pace-your-writing/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul_Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the advice. Very helpful to a novice blogger. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the advice. Very helpful to a novice blogger.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Review of WordPress Menus User Interface by Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/review-of-wordpress-menus-user-interface/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. The new menu management system isn&#039;t really good for larger sites. I also hate the fact that it doesn&#039;t work with the existing wordpress navmenu management options (Parent page drop down and order on the page edit screen). At the very least these options should be auto hidden if a theme declares support for the new nav menu system. Otherwise its confusing to have a navigation system that has no effect. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The new menu management system isn&#039;t really good for larger sites. I also hate the fact that it doesn&#039;t work with the existing wordpress navmenu management options (Parent page drop down and order on the page edit screen). At the very least these options should be auto hidden if a theme declares support for the new nav menu system. Otherwise its confusing to have a navigation system that has no effect.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Review of WordPress Menus User Interface by iamronen</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/review-of-wordpress-menus-user-interface/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>iamronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input jared :)  
 
Menus are a great beginning. Their design is OK (still not great) for simple sites with one or two menus. On larger &amp; more complex sites - they are still very useful but very unplesant to use. I hope they continue to improve. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input jared <img src='http://www.odharma.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Menus are a great beginning. Their design is OK (still not great) for simple sites with one or two menus. On larger &amp; more complex sites &#8211; they are still very useful but very unplesant to use. I hope they continue to improve.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Review of WordPress Menus User Interface by jaredwilli</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/review-of-wordpress-menus-user-interface/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>jaredwilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this or something to this effect would be great for improving the menus. I too have found the same issues you have mentioned, and on one site I currently have 4 custom post types and 4 taxonomies, with plans for more of both too. So you can imagine how long the page gets if I were to open them all up. 
 
I&#039;ve also found that if you have a reeeally long list of child menu items, say you add a whole list of all the terms of a tax for instance, they are all randomly added, in no particular list. And when the list is longer than the page, you have to scroll to find them, and if you want to put one of the last ones at the top of the menu, well scrolling while dragging is not only slooow but also very hard and annoying with a mousepad. 
 
There are definite needs for looking more into making the system better in many ways. This is a good start you have. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this or something to this effect would be great for improving the menus. I too have found the same issues you have mentioned, and on one site I currently have 4 custom post types and 4 taxonomies, with plans for more of both too. So you can imagine how long the page gets if I were to open them all up. </p>
<p>I&#039;ve also found that if you have a reeeally long list of child menu items, say you add a whole list of all the terms of a tax for instance, they are all randomly added, in no particular list. And when the list is longer than the page, you have to scroll to find them, and if you want to put one of the last ones at the top of the menu, well scrolling while dragging is not only slooow but also very hard and annoying with a mousepad. </p>
<p>There are definite needs for looking more into making the system better in many ways. This is a good start you have. <img src='http://www.odharma.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Launch Announcement: Centre for Yoga Studies by 4 Days and Yoga &#124; iamronen</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/launch-announcement-centre-for-yoga-studies/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>4 Days and Yoga &#124; iamronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Later I completed the launch sequence for YogaStudies. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on WordPress and the General Public License by iamronen</title>
		<link>http://www.odharma.com/2010/07/wordpress-and-the-general-public-license/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>iamronen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Elin.  
I understand the distinction you are making.  But there are examples of &quot;proprietary&quot; application (like the small application I created and mentioned in the post) which are not distributed.  As far as the GPL goes the most relevant word seems to be distribution.  
I used commercial fr two reasons: (1) I believe that financial greed is a motivator for infringement of GPL and (2) it will be a cleared distinction, I believe,  for the people I had in mind when writing this post who are familiar or in the heat of the discussion. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Elin.<br />
I understand the distinction you are making.  But there are examples of &quot;proprietary&quot; application (like the small application I created and mentioned in the post) which are not distributed.  As far as the GPL goes the most relevant word seems to be distribution.<br />
I used commercial fr two reasons: (1) I believe that financial greed is a motivator for infringement of GPL and (2) it will be a cleared distinction, I believe,  for the people I had in mind when writing this post who are familiar or in the heat of the discussion.</p>
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